drgoremd wrote: ↑1 year ago
DeeperThanRed wrote: ↑1 year ago
I think your analogy is flawed. I'm not a good artist but I can just pick up a pen and draw something I like, be it a character in my head or a simple sketch of my cats. There is inspiration and reference but in the end, that piece of artwork would not exist without me, regardless of quality.
So anyone who has ever taken a photograph is an artist? Anyone who has ever sung a song is an artist?
I'm curious. Which do you think is the superior piece of art?
Both are awful. The first is something that looks weirdly similar to so much other ai art. There is no intention behind it. You typed some words in, and the algorithm spit something out. And I guess you go by it being somewhat realistic, right? The Simpsons or Ren & Stimpy, which are crude and look weird, are way more artistic than this piece will ever be.
The second is just something you drew to proof a point - you didn't try to create anything, or to express yourself. THIS is an example of something that isn't art, because creating and expressing was not the point for you. You just wanted to proof a point.
And honestly, if a child draws such a stick figure, or for all I care an adult, who is simply bad at drawing - this stick figure is way more artistic than this pseudo-realistic thing, drawn to proof a point, not trying to express anything but simply to copy reality.
Generally, realism is super boring. Yes, you can create beautiful art with it, but there is so much more, and nearly all of it is way more interesting. We already have reality. Show me something different.
Especially the flaws are what makes art so interesting. I like to play video games, so my focus is there - Life is Strange is very artistic, as is something super-weird like the Dominique Pamplemousse games.
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That all said, it doesn't matter. If ai stuff is art or not is besides the point. There are jobs on the line, and the replacement of people will lead to tv shows, books, etc... without, for lack of a better word, soul. AI will not care, if the show it writes is something new and interesting, something people will always do. It will just give us the same stuff again and again. Which is already happening - are you one of the myriad of people, who complain (understandably, to a degree) that every movie is the same now? Using ai will just make this worse. As long as you have people working on a project, they will try to be creative, because that is what artists do. They will try to push against boundaries, try new stuff, and even more or less fail. This creates really interesting stuff. AI will just give us more and more of the same. It will not push, it will not take chances and risks, and it will not offer its own ideas.
It's not just the artists themselves, who will lose something (but never forget, they are the biggest losers here, with their entire career on the line) - everyone will lose, because we, as a culture, will produce stuff that is just not as interesting anymore. If nothing else, your entertainment will get worse.
Also, as an endpoint: If you think art is so great at this point, why are you here? ChatGPT is right there, open for you to get all the stories out of it you want. Sure, for bondage you have to be a bit sneaky, but you can get stories out of it. I did, a lot, for some time.
You are still here, because the stories here are better. They are created by people, who can remember the start of a story, when they reach the middle. They offer new insights, and details of a type you will not get from ai, definitely not yet. Not all stories, but still - you can let ChatGPT write a ton of stories for you right now. It just doesn't matter, because they are bad.
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Anyway, I'm sorry, wanted to leave this topic. I just find it way too interesting. Still, I'll leave with this post, and maybe come back in a month.